He is very capable of protecting himself. FUHRMAN: If I go down they lose the case. He wasn't going to help you. FUHRMAN: It was like a man and wife relationship, you know. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. And when it came to his use of the n-word he told Sawyer; 'It shouldn't be used. - On his hometown, 'When I came on the job all my training officers were big guys and knowledgeable, some n*****'d get in their face, they just spin 'em around, choke 'em out until they dropped.' I was first unit at the scene. It reveals more of Fuhrman's disturbing recordings. Simpson. Witnesses Tell Jury of Fuhrman's Racial Epithets : Simpson trial: Ex We gave all the females names, like these really ugly ones called critter, and this other one we call her, uh Hench Monkey like in the Wizard of Oz. - On dealing with a suspect, 'Leave that old station. Portions of the tapes were admitted into evidence during the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. What has that been like for you? They're utterly incompetent and they're dangerous. And that screenplay she developed with Mark Fuhrman's help? PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman roll playing as the quote grand dragon, leading what he describes as a tribunal, calling out a fellow officer for fraternizing with a female cop. - On his fellow officer s on the force, 'It's pretty clear-cut who the assholes are. That fact almost derailed the entire Simpson case for both sides and came dangerously close to causing a mistrial. Mark Fuhrman was the detective in the investigation and would play a pivotal role in the trial. PHILLIPS: Why would he want to keep talking to you for so many years? - On stopping black people with no probable cause, 'That's where n****** live.' PHILLIPS: So he made you get out at the scene. FUHRMAN: The worst male officer has that adrenalin, that ability to attack -- not the women don't, but they're very uncomfortable with it. FUHRMAN: And then I go does anybody have any evidence to produce? TIA MORRIS, FEMALE OFFICER: I didn't. That is how MAW, men against women, reportedly worked. This is bomb shell evidence and absolutely critical. PHILLIPS: And her man on the inside, Officer Mark Fuhrman had plenty to say on the subject. I was trying to do a screenplay. HART MCKINNY: I'm thinking that she wanted to protect the integrity of the trial. Somebody's got to make the decision. He was angry. Aug. 25, 1995 . His response surprised her. "[6][7], The tapes, as well as Fuhrman himself, became central to the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. HART MCKINNY: Yes, it's time. Torture, all kinds of stuff,' says Fuhrman. Captain York was the highest ranking woman in the history of the force at that time and in 1985 had been in charge of Fuhrman. Female Officers on Tapes, O.J. Walked up and told them: "I've got this girl, I'll blow her f****** brains out, if you come out with a gun. When McKinny refused to hand over the tapes, Simpson's lawyers came to North Carolina and took her to court. PHILLIPS: And your thought was? Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were dead, and her ex-husband, O.J. 'Two guys, well, there was four guys. On cross-examination the defense was allowed to question Fuhrman as to his biases against African Americans. PHILLIPS: Two people brutally murdered, Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and the main suspect, Nicole's ex-husband, football legend, O.J. HART MCKINNY: He violated all of our principles, and he glances at the note pad, kissing one female officer on duty in uniform and embarrassing us all. Yes, sir. 'I don't know what else to do. torture. . Was completing this book therapeutic for you after all these decades? Judge Ito's final decision on the Fuhrman tapes . Of the 29 incidents described in McKinny's tapes and transcripts, 17 could not be connected to known events. HART MCKINNY: He said that. He said yeah. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do you arrest a violent suspect? HART MCKINNY: He just sort of stopped and -- a woman cop? Investigators did link 12 accounts to known events, but their investigation was inconclusive, aside from the use of racial epithets and male officers' misogyny towards female officers, which was substantiated. the efforts of Suzanne Chin Langley. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. People there don't want Mexicans in their town. Why would he say that? A sign to find anything that would support the defense's strategy that Mark Fuhrman was a racist who planted evidence. So your goal was to write a screen play about sexism within the LAPD. - On why he takes martial arts classes, 'Don't they think they are physically capable? HART MCKINNY: No one, talking about me, should be profiting from this tragedy that people have to live with every day of their life. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman was still getting together with you and recording these tapes after the murders had happened. HART MCKINNY: That I don't know. PHILLIPS: Exposing alleged hatred. It's the man. He either deserves it or he doesn't.' You can't handle a man. [Women] don't pack those qualities." When they start moving into Redondo and Torrance. Greg Lefevre, Correspondent . - On female police officers, 'They have a bunch of n****** up there, two guys, they're like 5'6", they got punched right in the face.' 'He says you might as well make it pay off, if you don't make it pay off, all you're doing is going through all this heartache for nothing. August 15, 1995 . PHILLIPS: McKenna was a private investigator working for O.J. I'm sorry for that. HART MCKINNY: I would never do that. The specific racial epithet at issue is perhaps the single most insulting, inflammatory and provocative term in use in modern day America. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THE O.J. SIMPSON MURDER TRIAL - Los Angeles Times When you heard those tape recordings for the first time, what did you think? The day after the tapes were played for the jury, Fuhrman once again took the witness stand and said to every question asked by the defense; 'I wish to assert my 5th Amendment privilege.'. As such, the defendant is entitled to effectively cross-examine him. It's over.' LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the key police witness in the O.J. - Describing his partner on the force, 'Westwood is gone, the n****** have discovered it. Fuhrman was briefly assigned to investigate the slayings of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald L. Goldman on June 12, 1994. - Describing LA neighborhood, 'I mean, that's just the way you feel, you know. There will be a bingo moment or I get chills and when I get chills I can help somebody else get chills. Excerpts From the Ruling on the Fuhrman Tapes - New York Times Veteran LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the most important witness for the prosecution in the OJ Simpson trial as he discovered a bloody glove on the football player's property that matched the one found at the scene where his ex-wife Nicole was murdered alongside Ronald Goldman. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fire and the blaze were held off by rioters. We have no n****** where I grew up.'. Think of that 3 plus 1.' 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In one tape, Fuhrman complains about a partner who followed department rules and was unwilling to lie for another officer. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman even described disciplining one of their own. [9], Fuhrman was charged with perjury for his testimony at the trial. In the transcript, Fuhrman tells screenwriting professor Laura Hart McKinny about the investigation of a shooting at a housing project in Hollenbeck Division, which includes the Los Angeles. It was Fuhrman who reported finding the bloody glove behind Simpson's house the morning after the June 12, 1994, murders of Nicole . Preliminary Hearings and Grand Jury, Jury & Witness Lists So what else was on those tapes? FUHRMAN: Stand around the dark parking lot of a baseball diamond drinking beer at 3:30 in the morning. I felt that ashamed would be wrong, but I have felt bad that the revelation of the tapes could have actually had something to do with the verdict. [23:55:09] FUHRMAN: I'm not a racist. HART MCKINNY: So they would hold these late night meetings and figure out how they were going to harass other male officers that were being nice to female officers. Ito's Final Decision on the Fuhrman Tapes - Walraven HART MCKINNY: Yes. In 1985, 10 years before the O.J. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman and others were not formally punished but Fuhrman's reputation took a hit. That is really their natural response. We searched him again and found the gun. PHILLIPS: What's it like to be back here? That's all I can do.'. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Simpson you are charge with the crime of murder. The nature and purpose of their relationship. Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. People there don't want Mexicans in their town. And I'm sorry to be the one to bring it to the forefront in such a grossly insensitive way. Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue -Full Story-Goldman family blasts Simpson defense -Full Story- Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. um. Read Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial. PHILLIPS: Her 12 tapes would become a racial powder keg. PHILLIPS: Seemingly makes guys aware that if they are nice to female officers there will be consequences. . MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I'm saying, sir. . PHILLIPS: Really? - On LAPD coworker who took up fencing, 'I used to go to work and practice movements. HART MCKINNY: That is what he said. He didn't know where Fatburger was? (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:33:24] KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: By 1995 Laura Hart McKinny had settled down with her family in suburban North Carolina but back in L.A. her old friend Mark Fuhrman was back on the stand. Questions then arose how she could not remember Fuhrman given the fact that he spoke so angrily about her on the tapes. The defense seeks to offer 18 incidents of alleged misconduct. The transcript and audio of that portion of the tapes was never released. Having found Fuhrman's use of the subject racial epithet to be relevant and admissible, the court must then analyze each usage under Evidence Code Section 352: "The court may exclude evidence if its probative value is substantially outweighed by the probability that its admission will (a) necessitate undue consumption of time or (b) create substantial danger of undue prejudice, of confusing the issues, or of misleading the jury." - On police methods, 'N*****. Simpson trial, and it made us look absolutely horrible within our minority community. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm very pleased. HART MCKINNY: Yes. To bolster their case, excerpts of the tapes were admitted as evidence. . "Both down when I arrived. PHILLIPS: And then you lost on appeal. Opinion | The Fuhrman Tapes and the L.A.P.D. - New York Times Like in the locker-room, some new kid, you know. HART MCKINNY: Bingo. - On women playing football, 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed -- twelve in ten years. And you are going: Where do you live? We have no n****** where I grew up.' UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. There is the Rolling 60's, n***** group they went into a sporting good store and stole 50 Uzis, 3,000 rounds.' 'I'm doing the one thing that I can - I can do. I used to practice my kicks.' What Did The Mark Fuhrman Tapes Say? They Were Crucial To The - Romper I was scared only because of him standing up in front of all of our peers and the watch commander and other supervisors and he flat out said I do not want to work with Morris. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you come forward, please. What did he mean by that? Read Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial. Mon, Jan 30, 2023 . How O.J. Got the Fuhrman Tapes (and You Can Get Out-of-State Materials) PHILLIPS: But those tapes have also done exactly what McKinny started out to do. I really believe that if I could tell the story in a way that was honest and fair with a strong narrative that I could help inform people. all kinds of stuff. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Flames are jumping about 25 feet in the air -- PHILLIPS: A city torture by a history of racial rage. Chris Spargo For Dailymail.com The probative value of the evidence of Fuhrman's use of racial epithets comes from the fact that he has testified that he has not used the term in the last 10 years, thereby impacting his credibility. Two questions. HART MCKINNY: I think those tape spoke volumes. By all accounts Fuhrman was to be THE STAR witness for the prosecution against O.J. I was extremely nervous. HART MCKINNY: I was plummet why? When there was an officer-involved shooting, some officers of the MAW Group would celebrate it. You know they're caught between dimensions. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman also went on an apology tour, visiting Diane Sawyer, Oprah, and Larry King. PHILLIPS: Who had helped them in some way or not reported something in a report that those officers felt they should have or had done something nice to them, had backed them up. HART MCKINNY: Approximately 42. HART MCKINNY: I would say it did. . PHILLIPS: Tonight after O.J. I said why would you say that? When you found out you had to work the beat with him, what's your reaction? We were privy to all of his past investigations and a stress claim that he filed where he talked about how he hated blacks and Hispanics, and women. Transcript Providers Return to Transcripts main page CNN Special Reports After O.J. So then Mark Fuhrman comes up for a promotion and you look at him in the eye and say? Was she afraid potentially a murder could walk free, because of what these tapes represented? It was horrible for us because it had a huge impact on the O.J. PHILLIPS: Laura Hart McKinny tells all. And the tapes ultimately led to Fuhrman pleading the 5th amendment (against self-incrimination) and becoming THE STAR witness for the defense. PHILLIPS: But before the recordings there was a relationship. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely. I did not, silence. While Ito said he had heard all the tapes and had read all the transcripts, Uelmen said he wanted to go over them so . They're unable to hold a gun. Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. Simpson trial, reportedly makes racist comments on the tapes and refers to alleged incidents of police brutality by the LAPD. HART MCKINNY: I was sitting outside working on my laptop and he was dressed in regular clothes and he sat down and I was like he seems like a nice person. The Fuhrman tapes are 13 hours of taped interviews given by Los Angeles police officer Mark Fuhrman to writer Laura McKinny between 1985 and 1994. Two of my buddies were shot and ambushed, policemen. Fuhrman, who in addition to the glove also found the blood on and in Simpson's Ford Bronco, was listed as a police witness by the prosecution in a form submitted to Judge Ito before the start of the trial. He even compared Fuhrman's actions to those of Hitler at one point in his speech. It's relevant, germane, material. She could have profited handsomely from those tapes but she didn't. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He wouldn't get off the car so I'd have to approach the scene by myself. How do you plead? PHILLIPS: How did he treat you that night? PHILLIPS: He won. - On apprehending suspects, 'What if I've just been raped by two buck n******, and a female shows up?' During the course of the presentation of the prosecution's case in chief, Fuhrman testified without objection that he had not used a particular racial epithet in the past 10 years. It was a bombshell! McKinny also testified in the Simpson case without the jury present to determine if the tapes she recorded would be used at trial. FUHRMAN: Call it a tribunal where we get in a circle. Trial Transcripts And, if I go down, they lose the case. Celebrations she found unimaginable. See the article in its original context from. They did not however hear what came before that line of the tapes, which was; 'People there don't want n****** in their town. Mark Fuhrman's racist tapes: The full transcript of key OJ Simpson detective saying N-word 41 TIMES and detailing racially-motivated violence involving members of LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman. HART MCKINNY: He did. PHILLIPS: Does it feel good to talk about this? BAYAN LEWIS, FORMER ASSISTANT CHIEF, LAPD: Because the command staff that was in charge of him did not do the job they should have done, which is to deal with the issue in a strong manner. ", 'Held her like this - threw the b**** down the stairs - deadbolted the door - Let's play, boys.'. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you stop and think about what you should next do? He had been the first to arrive at Simpson's home the night of the murders because he was familiar with the property, having been there in 1985 while responding to a report of domestic abuse made by Nicole against her then husband. You've got 200 n****** that are trying to take you prisoner.' Both alive and I was first unit on the scene. Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue. HART MCKINNY: I couldn't believe it. HART MCKINNY: I could tell there was a story - I didn't t know what the story was that I was - to deal with him. Simpson murder trial. PHILLIPS: What did you say to her? Take one in the basement and just beat the dog shit out of him." ANNOUNCER: The following is a CNN special report. She looks just like one of those monkeys they send out of the castle. 06:17 BST 30 Mar 2016. - On racial profiling suspects, 'How do you intellectualize when you punch the hell out of a n*****? I didn't know what I was doing. HART MCKINNY: I trust you. "You're either my partner all the way, or get the f--- out of this . He said you're never going to find a woman cop who's a good cop. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not guilty of murder. Fuhrman's actions and behavior were a key part of Johnnie Cochran's closing argument, where the lawyer suggested that the detective planted the glove at Simpson's home and described him as a 'lying, perjuring, genocidal racist.'. So it was kind of shunted off to the side. No, I want to be infamous. FUHRMAN: No, sir. Split, hide, yell, scream, and hide in the corner. PHILLIPS: Are you glad that Laura recorded Mark Fuhrman? [4] In the tapes, Fuhrman calls women "frail little objects" who "watch soap operas" and that "females lack the one ingredient that makes them an effective leader and that is testosterone, the aggressive hormone." HART MCKINNY: We had a romance. 'I was a lamb. "Further, there was evidence that the Men Against Women officers would ostracize male officers who did not support their boycott against female officers. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a horrendous crime. She was also the wife of Judge Lance Ito. PHILLIPS: So, why didn't you sell them? Well, on 2/25 I observed the defendant not only kiss but touch on ass of the female officers. Torrance is considered the last white middle class society.' Just body shots. In that book he apologized for using racial slurs, said that he believed Simpson should have been arrested earlier by LAPD and accuses the prosecution of having abandoned him at trial after the release of the tapes. Simpson Murder Trial. The Fuhrman Tapes with Transcript - O.J. - On a police division, 'He grew up in school with all blacks, and every time a n***** looked at him, he'd jump them cause he figured they were going to jump on him, so he might as well start the fight right now and get it over with.' After learning that Fuhrman was a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) officer and had strong views about the employment of women as LAPD officers, McKinny engaged Fuhrman as a consultant to provide background information about the reality of the experiences of LAPD officers and to serve as a technical advisor in the development of a screenplay. "[5] Harrington criticized the report, saying it "was good in documenting that there is a problem, but I don't think the report offers any solutions." Gerald F. Uelmen, the member of the defense team who passionately argued for admission of 61 tapes and transcripts, rose again Tuesday to urge Ito to return to that question. - Speaking against women on the force, 'No, we have to eliminate a choke hold because a bunch of n****** down in the south end of L.A. said this is bad.' MORRIS: He told me I needed to go and dance on soul train. PHILLIPS: And pled no contest to perjury. It makes guys aware. Suits, Motions and Court Orders Did you ever try to find a bruise on a n*****. Go for Shapiro, he's an a******.'. . PHILLIPS: By the late '80s allegations of excessive use of force had escalated racial tensions. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detective Fuhrman, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? PHILLIPS: Stories of alleged sexism, racism, and police brutality. FUHRMAN: Yes. Either they get off the street or they are going to have some split-tail for a partner. For more than 20 years, you were the woman with the tapes that changed the face of this trial. PHILLIPS: They swayed a verdict. That person has never been revealed to me. Simpson defense team trips on Fuhrman tapes - CNN Simpson's defense team argued that Fuhrman planted the glove on Simpson's estate following the murder. . So who told Pat McKenna you had these tapes? (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:53:33] PHILLIPS: It was 1994. Excerpts From the Ruling on the Fuhrman Tapes, https://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/01/us/excerpts-from-the-ruling-on-the-fuhrman-tapes.html. They said, look, we've been saying all along that you use the n-word, that you lie and it took years after this to deal with it. But then I really saw how serious Mark Fuhrman was about the other men talking to the women. PHILLIPS: So being on this Task Force, you were privy to internal reports and Mark Fuhrman was mentioned in a number of these. Get in the car.' This assertion is not supported by the record. When I left, Dana goes, "No blood Mark."
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