For every graduate from kindergarten to PhDs -- but especially the kids Kate Bowler:So, todays conversation is about developing language to move us forward when life is well, chronic. I absolutely love that phrase. Kelly Corrigan:Ah, it was so terrible. He shares what draws him to people, how he writes them into stories and how openness and vulnerability are key elements to finding a strong character. One of the hardest things Ive been wrestling with is not having any clear language for this weird place between sick and healthy, weak and strong. Thanks for sharing. I even use it at the end of lectures like, Hey, this is the end of the 19th century. Ill definitely have to write this one down and bring it out on a particularly overwhelming day! Yeah. Kate Bowler:Absolutely. Shes not going to their wedding, shes not going to pick out wedding dresses with them. Kate Bowler:Yeah. Can we trust our gut? An Evening with Kelly Corrigan EVENT PAGE - Lightways You start with, Its like this.. Maya Shankars Plus One is Christy Warren, a former first responder with 25 years of experience in the field. You are in good company. And you know, it was so weird, but dying was the easier part of it. Whos going to do this? Kate Bowler:Well, I accept. Kelly Corrigan:My instinct is to fix, cause I feel Im almost sure I can. Kelly Corrigan:Where you can feel the person kind of asking around, snooping just enough, and its not for your sake. Duration: 3:0 Transcript HARI SREENIVASAN: Now to another in our Brief But Spectacular. You are everywhere they are., Kelly Corrigan:I really believe that, even though Im skeptical, and Im mad at people who say, Her spirits still here, and stuff. They swell, and constrict, and break, and forgive, and behold, because its like this, having a heart. Kelly Corrigan:And Im getting to walk with them way longer on their road, and I felt this sense that I could never possibly deserve that, that Im not that great a person, or a mom. Corrigan and her guests meander with insight and humor toward that inevitable moment when you think, "Exactly!" The Best Show with Tom Scharpling a day ago Im sorry to ask about the hard part, but would you mind telling me what happened? Kelly Corrigan:And I should not lose my mind over a shirt I bought on final sale section that didnt fit even though I tried to pull it over myself, and then it got stuck on me, and I had to cut it off with scissors. More lessons learned. Stay healthy. Kelly Corrigan:I sat at my dining room table, which is place I never write, and I thought, Oh my God, of course I know exactly what this is. Alex, Thank you for adding to the number of not-normal, cry-at-the-drop-of-a-hat people in the world. Kelly Corrigan:I didnt die. Thats the word. My mantra for the last decade plus has been show up and be of use. I think we should be talking about five percent of the time. Shed do anything. Kelly Corrigan:Yeah. Kelly Corrigan:And thats the truth. So, God is generous was my dads way of promising us a better future. Kelly Corrigan:And he said, Thats a way to be a parent, which is to say to be there, to be available, to be within view, but not necessarily inserting yourself, because even though as your kids get older and older, it feels like theyre looking for you less and less, it is sort of a comfort to glance over, and see you there, and feel you there, and they would most certainly notice if you werent. Kelly Corrigan:Yeah. I really appreciate it. I do need to be reminded of this often There are only two days in the year that nothing can be done. Kelly Corrigan:So, I just really went bananas, because on top of the shirt problem, I went downstairs to clean the kitchen, and I found everybodys bowls, and spoons, and cups, and I had that reaction that so many women have, which is, Well I guess Im the least busy. I should not be mad about this. You wrote this book in a season of incredible loss. She has been called the voice of her generation and the poet laureate of the ordinary, and she is the most perfect person to talk to to kick us off because her lovely new book is called Tell Me More, and Tell me more is one of those phrases she uses, phrases that she writes about that help guide her through relationships, and parenting, and grief. Rocky is family, and we dont sell family, I replied. Adjust the colors to reduce glare and give your eyes a break. The reach of language can be laughable.. I even use it at the end of lectures like, Hey, this is the end of the 19th century. Then I wanted to get right with him, and urgently. Hopefully youve continued to connect with Kate and Kellys books. Kate Bowler:Theres this other phrase, I was wrong, that has real power, and you learned that in a really intense way when your grandma died. Follow Kelly on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. Its completely random. Kelly Corrigan:You cant be in the world, and get through your to-do list, and also sit in endless, rich gratitude. 00:35:25 - Annie Jean Baptiste in the Head of Product Inclusion at Google where she spends her time thinking about the products we use very day and how who's a Kilpy Kate Bowler:Yeah, I believe you. Kelly also hosts her own podcast Kelly Corrigan Wonders, which she describes as a "place for people who like to laugh while they think." On the podcast, she tackles a different question every month in a series of weekly conversations with some of her favorite thinkers. Kelly Corrigan:Hearts dont idle. You know, like it wasnt me. Welcome to Kelly Corrigan Wonders, a place for people who like to laugh while they think and find it useful to look closely at ourselves and our weird ways in the hopes that knowing more and feeling more will help us do more and be better. Kelly Corrigan:I mean, thats where it is. Im hearing all the music, Im totally tuned in to the right channel, and then just like that, I slip into those mundane irritants., Kelly Corrigan:And then I catch myself, and then I feel this sense of shame, and he said, Its like this. Best, After the potency of the crime metaphor wore off, I turned to the vocabulary of religion. Kelly Corrigan:Well you know, sometimes the trivial is tragic. It was the very last thing that I wrote, and you may be able to relate to this, theres always one part of a book that writes itself, at least for me, where its like, I guess Ive been thinking about this long enough, I guess Ive been living this long enough that its all kind of been subconsciously forming, and now Im just about taking dictation here, and thats the way that was. Today, Im speaking with New York Times bestselling author, Kelly Corrigan. It doesnt end, and also you cant live there. Follow Kate on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. Im sorry I didnt go see your mom. Thats not the same as saying I was wrong not to try to know her. Plus, we learn how the same technique can actually reduce racism and prejudice. Maybe Wills curious phrase, Its like this, applies here too. What do we do when the labels were given arent necessarily the ones we choose for ourselves? I was also living only maybe 10 miles from my very old grandma who lived alone, and I kept kind of meaning to go visit her, but its a lot easier to show up at work every day at the United Way, and get kind of righteous about all the people who work for money versus the rest of us who are working for the greater good, than it is to go to your grandmas smelly, weird apartment, and have weird conversations with an 88-year old, you know? Best-selling author Kelly Corrigan tries a research-proven technique to feel closer to her husband. I love your style and all your guests are fascinating to listen to with so much insight and knowledge. Kelly Corrigan:And so I didnt do it. Kelly shares a graduation speech, a conversation about takeaways from high school with her daughter and a special reading with Oscar winning actress Helen Hunt. Is this how you would have cared for my son?, and you end up fixating on all of these tiny little things, and at the same time, so overwhelmed by not being sure if its trivial or tragic. Welcome to Kelly Corrigan Wonders, a place for people who like to laugh while they think and find it useful to look closely at ourselves and our weird ways in the hopes that knowing more and feeling more will help us do more and be better. We were living in Damascus, Syria, and whenever one of us asked for something Mom and Dad couldnt afford, Dad would say Allah Kareem. In Arabic, Allah means God. 5:55. The result is "Think Twice: Michael Jackson," a 10-part podcast from Audible and Wondery that will be available exclusively on Audible and Amazon Music on Thursday. I mean, that was my big experience of your book. I found that instructive. Kilpy Like, Today could be this day, well, you know, today I met you, now were friends, and who knows whats going to happen now? For the Love Podcast - Jen Hatmaker I dont know. Surely, my friend, my lost and lovely friend, called for new words. Just do your best. I was wrong, and that is very soothing, but then that took me back to this moment where I had gone to work for United Way after college, because I was going to save the world, and I was this total do-gooder. You know, I honestly think I only say Im sorry, and not, I was wrong. I think I might try it. Kelly Corrigan Wonders podcast - Listen online for free Im so sorry youre not going to like any of my answers. Kate Bowler:You and I are super chatty people, but you make an amazing pitch for silence, and I am all for it, because everyone always had these go-to things to say with me like, You can do it, or Youre so brave, and all the things that made me feel like I was on the other side of plexiglass. Im so grateful to hear the ways youre connecting with Kate and Kelly. Lives dont last. -Kilpy Kelly Corrigan:So, I used to go in there and write, and they have a meditation teacher twice a day at 10:00 AM and 3:00 PM, and at first I was sort of sheepish about availing myself of every single employee benefit, but sure enough, eventually I found myself sitting in there, and this guy was kind of amazing. She reflects on her love and loss through ordinary moments and everyday sayings. Im so sorry youre not going to like any of my answers. Mahra:Ive been singing these lines from a song by the Avett Brothers to my kids for years, and it goes like this. So, I kind of wondered if there was a motto youd pick for you for right now, what would it be? Kate Bowler:I do think people offer certainties when they think that youre proof of something that scares them, and they cant just live in the uncertainty of not knowing for a minute. After a College Applicant Hits 'Send' - The New York Times Yeah. Onwards, but you use it so beautifully when youre talking about Lizs family and how they are now. I mean so far, knock on wood, Im getting to see my kids be much, much older than she got to see her kids be. For Dr. White was the first person who ever told Michael he could write. Maybe you want to borrow one of Kellys like, Its like this, but youre totally welcome to borrow my familys motto: Dont let the turkeys get you down. Its tried and true. Its a very learned thing that I have to insert the words into my mouth, and push them out deliberately, because my instinct is to solve. Just see who you can bump into out there. She has a beloved podcast called Everything Happens. Michael Lewis on What Makes Some People Irreplaceable. Gratefully, Kate Bowler:Yeah, yeah, yeah. She plans to give it to her daughter, who graduates from high school in June.. Theyre poking for that critical difference to hold on to, and I wanna hug em, and say, I know. That sounds really right to me. I was wondering if you could tell me about that. Then the ocean with its waves so vast, impossible to touch bottom, then a maze, then a mountain, then seasons, a natural disaster. Yeah. Kelly Corrigan:Theres a thing Im aware of about eye contact between spouses, and you either make it, or you dont, and once youre aware that thats deeply meaningful, and that it has this kind of almost immeasurable, physiological effect on the other person, then you make an effort to look them in the eye, and that seems like such a small thing, but its actually definitional in terms of your relationship, in terms of whether its a good day, or a bad day, or a good interaction, or a bad interaction. I really appreciate it. Kelly Corrigan:Thanks. I didnt do it. So much of what you both say resonates for me. Kelly Corrigan:But you know, if Im jumping in with my fancy solution two and a half minutes in, I just cut you off, and then we leave each other, and I have this little high like, Ah, I just really helped her, and she walks away thinking, She didnt hear anything I said. Were just a series of days and interactions. Its all this cumulative effect of a thousand minuscule moments. She's a podcaster. Youre giving these beautiful phrases, and each of them feels like a kind of roadmap, and you start with one that really resonated deeply with me. Kate Bowler:Yeah. Im so glad youve been plugging in and hope to keep hearing your feedback! Kelly Corrigan:And I should not lose my mind over a shirt I bought on final sale section that didnt fit even though I tried to pull it over myself, and then it got stuck on me, and I had to cut it off with scissors. We had several hamsters in one cage, and they can be cannibalistic, and one morning a hamster was missing, and another hamster had a suspiciously large tummy. Kelly Corrigan:My friend Andy Lotts, who is Lizs husband, told me about it, cause hes a mom now, and so we talk mom talk. Like the other day when I was being wheeled into a procedure, the nurse looked at my chart, and then casually said, Colon cancer. But first, we need you to sign in to PBS using one of the services below. Kelly Corrigan:So, I had to wait, and then finally we had a window, and I said, I was wrong. Tomorrow, March 28, 2023 would have been his 40th birthday. Kate Bowler:Oh friend. Kate is a young mother, writer and professor who, at age 35, was suddenly diagnosed with Stage IV cancer. Sometimes, were just lacking a bit of language. Jennifer Garner tells Kelly Corrigan how she inspires others to find their true passions. Im like, Yeah, right. It just ends the tension because what youre saying is, I see it how you see it, and I agree with you. Kelly Corrigan:I never came up with any combination that came close to the feeling. No one understands what makes a character sing better than Michael Lewis. Thats where its at. Kelly Corrigan:Sure, my pleasure. I have watched every episode on PBS and cannot get enough of the show Mrs Corrigan!!! I always asked her this when I wondered if I was handsome in any way. Its going to be great. Kelly Corrigan, Author - Brief but Spectacular | PBS NewsHour I guess everybody here, these children of mine and my husband, are just too damn busy to get on this, but Im not, so Ill do it, and then I was finishing, and I found a little pile of cut toenails on my kitchen table, and that. The idea that we just sort of wander around, consume things until we die, like were just a series of small appetites without any deep, rich, meaningful, satisfying connection. Thanks For Being Here Remembering Ryland. I heard your friend died, and I just couldnt bear to call them back. I mean, I remember thinking, when I wasnt sure, when I was in an especially tough moment of illness, every time I would look at Zachs nails I would think, Is this what wouldve happened if I hadnt been here to do this? Kelly Corrigan:So, my dad died in February, and then my friend Liz, whos the mother of three kids, 8, 10, and 12 at the time, died that December. The space between doubt and belief is often unpopular, but the tension can be held. Best Kelly Corrigan Podcasts (2023) I should not be mad about this. Kate Bowler:You are someone who has gotten mixed up in all kinds of things, and I am so glad to know you. Kate Bowler:Getting back to life has been really tricky. After the potency of the crime metaphor wore off, I turned to the vocabulary of religion. Kate Bowler:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Weekly dose of wonder: The glorious sounds of chickens : NPR Im not sure where the bar is set at in normalcy though. I was wrong, and that is very soothing, but then that took me back to this moment where I had gone to work for United Way after college, because I was going to save the world, and I was this total do-gooder. Kelly Corrigan:Have you ever heard that potted plant theory? I had to make it into a vest to remove it from my body with the tag still on it, you know? Kate Bowler:Well, I accept. Id love to hear more about what this means to you. We thought it was pretty great too . Those ordinary consonants and vowels that, when strung together, offer meaning and points of entry for others. In this season of "Tell Me More," listen to one-on-one conversations with musical icons like Jewel and Lang Lang, community leaders like Del Seymour, entertainment heavyweights like Constance Wu and Michael Lewis, scientists like Maya Shankar, and more. Lang Lang and Gina Alice play the piano in Lafayette, CA. Onward, my dears. Kareem means generous. You wrote about the end of words. Maybe I dont have to be good, but I can try to be least a little better then Ive been so far., Riham:Our family motto is Allah Kareem. Her memoirs include " The Middle Place," and her first children's. It just came out whole, and of course, to me its the most important and moving chapter in the book for sure. Kelly Corrigan:Dont get crumbs on the baby. Theres a title. Despair defies description. And she said, Kelly, Im going to try to do the Uber to this wedding, and I was wondering if you can request a woman, and I said, No you cant, but you can trust it. Kelly reads everything from eulogies to retirement speeches and on February 19th, she . Kelly Corrigan:Hearts dont idle. Kate Bowler: I'm Kate Bowler, and this is Everything Happens. She died this morning, and I was just sick to my stomach. PRX Series Kelly Corrigan Wonders Such is a reminder that success is the result of joined efforts and that all of us are touched by the ripples of others contributions. Today, Im speaking with New York Times bestselling author, Kelly Corrigan. Everything Happens : NPR You cant live in that. PBS is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization. We read and appreciate every comment. I think thats cause we were always sort of fighting nearby. She totally doesnt get it. Were jumping in way too soon and talking way too much. Onward, my dears. Kelly Corrigan Full Transcript - Kate Bowler So, thats just the question in front of all of us. You cant only experience deep gratitude at the toenails that you seriously wish someone else would have cut, because seriously, whos doing this around here? Kelly Corrigan:My instinct is to fix, cause I feel Im almost sure I can. We should thank the chef. Okay, but Im just telling you those kids are waking up every day without her, and theyre going to keep being without her forever. Kate Bowler:Yeah. For what Ive just seen in the last six months, I should be different. Kilpy Kelly has also agreed to be my friend as part of her contractual commitment to this podcast. I end up saying to my therapy clients, to my friends, and to my daughter both Change is hard and the stage-specific version of CIH, Middles are awful. Middles are awful: we have to either find language for an ambiguous state or give up on finding it: hard, sweaty work. Theres meatless Mondays, and theres a kombucha bar, and theres nap pods. Im so compassionate to that thing that happens every time you tell someone that you had cancer, which is the other person trying to figure out why its not going to happen to them as fast as possible. Its probably cause of something youve been eating. Onwards! Make the magic happen. I mean, maybe I was projecting, maybe whatever he said in that moment, maybe if he had said peanut butter, and jelly, wed be talking about peanut butter and jelly, but it totally resonated for me in the way that a song lyric does where youre like, I dont know what that means exactly, but Im going to write that down, and put it in my wallet, and its interesting. A witty, insightful podcast in search of the big "Yes!" The gap between being inspired and entertained just got smaller. Kelly Corrigan:And Im getting to walk with them way longer on their road, and I felt this sense that I could never possibly deserve that, that Im not that great a person, or a mom. Download. I mean, I remember thinking, when I wasnt sure, when I was in an especially tough moment of illness, every time I would look at Zachs nails I would think, Is this what wouldve happened if I hadnt been here to do this? May you find Christ, comfort, and companions amidst the questions! Kelly Corrigan:I was perhaps proud about it honestly, and I was reading 7 Habits of Highly Effective People at night with my big fat yellow highlighter, and I was really full of attachment to this identity that I had painted for myself. I think we make life a little more interesting! Kelly Corrigan sits down with Melinda French Gates. You talk about not having good language for your current state. Kelly Corrigan:Where you can feel the person kind of asking around, snooping just enough, and its not for your sake. P.S. Kelly Corrigan:I mean, unless youre a monk, and youre meditating for 60 days in a mountain somewhere. At a time when so much feels unex This is one of the most moving and important conversations weve ever shared and we thank PBS for supporting this work as well as the Lafayette Library and Learning Center for hosting the shoot. Shes not going to hold their babies.. Were just a series of days and interactions. Kilpy Read more about this episode, and get show notes, here. Kelly Corrigan:I sat at my dining room table, which is place I never write, and I thought, Oh my God, of course I know exactly what this is. Kelly Corrigan:Thats not a headline anybody wants to read. Hosted by four-time New York Times bestselling author Kelly Corrigan, the show dives deep into each guests life to pull out poignant lessons they hope others can use to find their own calling or better understand themselves. She had ovarian cancer, so she had fought it for seven years, and it was the kind of thing where I felt like I urgently wanted to deserve my life. Kelly Corrigan:Youre feeling like ABC, not DEF. So thats the beauty of it. Michael highlights the importance of . Leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Corrigan, a New York Times bestselling author, gives her Brief But Spectacular take on the power of words. Team Everything Happens. And Ive talked to a couple of my girlfriends whove gotten divorced, and they say the exact same thing happens to them. Theres a whole world out there happening, and you can step into all kinds of things, and you dont need to know why youre leaving the house. You know, like it wasnt me. Corrigan and her guests dig into such questions as "Is knowing more always . Kelly Corrigan:Have you ever heard that potted plant theory? When I read that, I just kept thinking of how scared Ive been about what I call being a zombie. Kelly Corrigan:Im telling you what, man, you can not believe how much I use this, and you can not believe how still it is not my natural instinct. We had several hamsters in one cage, and they can be cannibalistic, and one morning a hamster was missing, and another hamster had a suspiciously large tummy. The Big Short, Moneyball, Liars Poker, these stories stand for whole industries because Michael Lewis puts just the right protagonist in the center. Warmly, Kelly Corrigan:One that Ive always liked is, Things happen when you leave the house. I think I like the sense of theres something out there that you can tap into. Best, Kilpy Kelly Corrigan:Well you know, sometimes the trivial is tragic. The Best Show is the best live podcast you're ever gonna hear! Its so that they can identify some critical difference between you and them that makes them feel like they can exhale again. This is me writing a letter to Liz, and I wrote the whole thing, and I cried my eyes out the whole time I was writing it, and wiping my nose, and blowing my nose, and sitting back down, and Edwards like, You all right? And Im like, Im all right. Our guest is Kelly Corrigan, a best-selling author and host of PBS talk show Tell Me More and podcast Kelly Corrigan Wonders.
